When Nokia N8 was announced then it was the time, when Nokia N900 reached India. The announcement really jeopardized many possible purchases of Nokia N900 here and today as many like me were fearing, a glimpse of Nokia E7 and we are confused again that should we wait for that 4” beauty or rush in for Nokia N8 as we are already decided?
I hope that when Nokia World 2010 was marked to show off four devices together on stage, then many might have got an answer that why release of Nokia N8 was this much late.
Four devices together on biggest stage of Nokia with many never been before in Nokia features;
1. A Brand new OS Symbian^3
2. Polished Capacitive Multi-touch AMOLED Screens
3. Third generation of Bluetooth 3.0
4. USB OTG for the first time on Nokia
One may comfortably assume that if Eldar wasn’t in middle with shocking revelation of Nokia N8 and intentionally worse choice of words like disappointment of year, then Nokia was all set to put this Symbian^3 bunch once for all in Nokia World only, not before than that. The similarities in profiles, features and design language all indicate for the same fact only. But that didn’t happened …
Many will argue and curse Nokia that why they were this much slow?
Answer was their ultimate failure Nokia N97, something they came to recover. With lesser RAM and power, it was a misplaced shot that came back to hurt them only in place of making them strong in touch phones genre. Like me, they never expected that market suddenly will be ruled by touch devices only provided the advantages of Non-touch ones and their huge heritage of years with their beautifully made devices and there it went wrong …
Anyway, it was a grand show, if all of these Symbian^3 devices with new interfaces, hardware, services and just another level of design language were set to appear at once, but in the world leaks, Nokia World 2010 was a little faded like Apple iPhone 4 launch went.
Though not designed to be, but it was Nokia E7, which stole the show and kept people confused that should they really go for buying Nokia N8 that blindly as they were kind of decided to? And why shouldn’t they, when it seems to be perfecting the build with addition of only missing thing in Nokia N8, the keypad and also adds 0.5” more bigger screen in the beauty …
In last many weeks, a major portion of hits toward this blog came though one post: the comparison post between Nokia N8 and Nokia N900 and so one could understand that how much such a comparison would be required this time, when it really much more confusing as now they are all seems to be on similar ground. Lets take some sneak peaks into finer details. I am also including Nokia C7 and Nokia N900 together for the reference.
The display, the design language and build
Here is the comparison between the four devices …
Three new devices not only set AMOLED as new minimum standard but they do the same for Pentaband too.
The Display resolution
It was shocking to many, when they seen a 4” device having only 360×480 resolution, when rivals roaring to 900x now and may be more in near future. It was more awkward as after 800×480 resolution of Nokia N900, no one was expecting Nokia to go below than that.
Nokia’s argument is “same resolution makes the job of developer easier, when they know where have to put their pixels on through out the range of devices.”
For sake of argument on Nokia side, the basic question was what the purpose of going behind the number of pixels, when you got to deal with same 3-4” of screen and can’t be pushed to be more smaller icon? Even AMOLED gorilla glasses were not that cheaper side, then even pixels, who actually not gonna make a productive effect on experience rather than marketing gimmicks, if you would have gone beyond retina.
But on the other side …
its true that resolution matters a lot and even the Nokia fans, who would have taken a ride over Nokia N900 will argue on that. Bigger resolution means larger, comfortable space for browsing and better viewing angles for other medias.
True that while making design decisions and pricing, one has to go through compromises, but it was only Nokia, who made consumers hating the word compromise.
So, conclusion on resolution issue is …
Nokia E7-00 gets no direct advantages over Nokia N8 in terms of resolution though it gets numbers on CBD technology, which makes the display look impressive than even Nokia N8. Still we can pass out that. Nokia has to care about the fonts and icon details on a comparatively bigger screen, so that people may not feel something cheap or may miss Nokia N900 likes.
The design language and build
The statement that actually won many battles for Apple was being the slimmest. The design statement was always loud and clear from their whole range of products. Sometimes such loud that people miss the fact that at what cost these products come and what compromises they bring in their lives.
It would be certainly interesting to see if iPhone’s sales figures were really that higher when they were selling it unlocked or people weren’t buying it to Jailbreak first. Provided the major sales of Nokia comes from the countries, where they sell their phones unlocked only, they were never on the same grounds.
The rule of war is “Beat the enemy on their grounds, on what they felt them best, without leaving the skills at which you are best”. A victory in that way leaves the opponent out of courage to fight again, no matter how big they might be.
The all new design language as reflected from the three leading phones on stage (N8, E7 and C7) shows the same commitment to beat the opponent on their turf. Though they get limited by inferior camera (moving parts not allowed in slimmer builds, so heavily compromised) and were forced to restrict the removal of battery for sake of unified build, but it was sane as they maintained all the features and at least one of their device was branded to be the best uncompromised camera in the world.
Literally uncompromised camera of Nokia N8 is something which doesn’t let Nokia E7 stands a chance in that era even if Nokia E7 seems to bring the same looks and solidness in same slim profile, but with huge benefit of QWERTY for less than 1mm difference (13.6mm and 12.9mm). People really may confuse a Nokia E7 from Nokia N8 if at some distance and that’s make it tempting to go for E7, but let me show you something …
Not a best macro shot of my Nokia N82, but such shots at workplace help you a lot and I kind of can’t think living without such macros, but the slimmer design comes with a compromise in Nokia E7 that its can’t focus on objects closer than 50 cm.
We buy higher priced phones for more features not just for more power or numbers and Nokia has made us to think Camera as integral part of Smartphones. Even if 8 MP, the Non-Carl Zeiss Camera brings Nokia E7 at somewhat the same level as of Apple iPhone 4 or Samsung Galaxy. Hope Nokia could prove me wrong, but that’s a deal breaker for me otherwise, I would have bought Nokia N95 in place of Nokia N82 years back.
Even if now, I am assured with the solidness of slider hinge of Nokia E7, Nokia N8 scores point due to literally uncompromised camera.
The processor/ RAM
People reading too much from numbers might get a surprise here …
If you check ARM 11 Vs Cortex A8, then ARM 11 been the processor that were used by iPhone 3G once. I am not an exactly right person to talk on this, but no one would argue that superb performance of Nokia N900 was for a reason; Cortex 8 that was also used in iPhone 3GS and known as next generation to ARM 11 and even Snapdragons. So, we come back to another ‘compromise’ here that Nokia made for keeping the costs down.
But at the same time, one should also consider the fact …
Symbian been known for bringing top notch performances from minimum processor/ RAM usages and even if we are here with an older processor, it just cut it better than other OS platforms been doing till now. An ARM Cortex 9 might be the future, when they come to MeeGo, but with Symbian^3, Nokia decided to be with ARM 11 680 Mhz.
It doesn’t make a difference about Nokia E7 and Nokia N8 as both of them share the same processor, but it thrills to see that Nokia N900 still has a place with a superior generation processor.
Greatest part is the inclusion of Graphics 2D/3D processor in all the coming phones, which was a thing that Nokia was forgotten since Nokia N95/ Nokia N82 time.
So, here no one score points neither Nokia N8 nor Nokia E7 as both are on the same level.
This has been a core part of discussion I posted about Noia N8 Vs Nokia N900 and after a year, now we have seen that a mobile could have HDMI and Dolby as well and could be operated by Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard. Technology is really travelling faster.
Connectivity features are exactly identical when it comes to Nokia N8 and Nokia E7, but its also sure that Nokia gonna come up with some exclusive features for Nokia E7 as they mentioned in Q & A rounds that it will be Software part that will come to distinguish the Nokia E7 and so will justify the price.
Are we going to see thing like remote control in Nokia’s as well? Certainly look like so.
Memory part been the biggest reason behind the failure of Nokia N97, as even if Symbian is known to perform best even with 128 MB RAM, Nokia missed that time to take concern of escalated needs for a touch based platform. Nokia N97 Mini was correction to the mistake and after feeling well settled with 256 MB RAM of Nokia N900, even if tempting number of others on 512 MB RAM, it was no where a wrong decision on Nokia part to keep RAM settled on 256 MB for all the three devices.
Note: The mentioned 135 mb in the above pics is wrong, which I realized after having N8 in my hands.
After the standardization of Processor/ RAM, it was time to address the second part, the internal memory, the C;\ drive of phone. Interesting is to note the difference of maximum user storage part between Nokia N8 and Nokia E7. Nokia N8 has only 260 MB while C7 and E7 come with 350 MB.
After living with Nokia N82’s 100 MB maximum user storage since long and also surviving the other side with Nokia E52, not only me, but other users know very well now that what important maximum user storage or C:\ of phones has. Happy to see that Nokia seems to address the same as well.
Numbers might look like otherwise, but experience says that 260 MB is more than enough for most of the users need when there is already 16 GB space available for saving all kind of media.
But still presence of 350 MB maximum user storage and 1 GB NAND memory in both of the devices E7 and C7 indicates that Nokia seems to be setting up with something big coming for these devices in near future and the those software features will keep on revealing itself in steps over time like has been in case of Nokia N8 in last months.
There is an unrest about exclusion MicroSD support from Nokia E7, but provided the USB OTG support, it seems that with already huge internal memory soon gonna make requirement of MicroSD support irrelevant. Think if there was MicroSD support, then people were asking for hot swap support as well, but now after USB OTG, hot swap is available for everything.
When it comes to Camera then obviously Nokia N8 is something that is made for that only.
Even if no Macro Mode support disappoints big time like I mentioned in first part, definitely having a sleek camera that could record your moments in HD quality video is something been a dream for Business Phones. After all, not only marriage and birthdays like family-n-friends moments are precious, but things like visit of some big shots or some special achievements at work place also might be something that one wanna cherish for ever.. and what could have been better than HD quality video?
So, if Nokia E7 looses scores in Macro, then scores big time as a business device setting standards for the market. Remember, we have the best ever keypad here, which no business device in market could beat at the moment. 8 MP Camera still stands at it best possible.
Secondary camera bring no surprises here, but again like I always been saying… its time for Nokia to set another standard by putting some 2-3 MP camera in front place. Ok OK.. I understand not at this dimension but may be future models.
Was just thinking in Sci Fi mode that it will be possible to make superb camera lenses without moving parts, if someone could find such a material, which could change density and so focal lengths on controlled electrical probes. Isn’t it?
When it comes to camera then Nokia N8 is sure second to none because of being almost uncompromised, but still Nokia E7 is not loosing the battle as we have won a 8MP camera with HD video recording on a Business device. Remember, it was just few years back, when just 2 MP was being taken as a Business phone standard.
Nokia N8 wins in this department hands down, but Nokia E7 still has worth.
OS and Extra Features
There been a lots of argument and discussions around that Symbian is dead and Nokia should move on to Android at least. Why Nokia resisting the urge to do so?
There is a strong reason for that.
Symbian is not only the biggest mobile platform on the planet, but also has backing a a big loyal community that even after difficult times has kept on serving the people at their best. Going towards any other platform will be meant to loose them.
Another OS come up with different file structures and implementation of things that will be an area of concern over expectations from Nokia. It seems very reasonable that Nokia is trying to keep things on their own turf here. They know Symbian been big till year and has much more caliber to make a comeback very soon. Symbian been known for their effectiveness in least resources and had no reasons to be abandoned coz others getting ground.
Maemo on Nokia N900 was great but was an example of the same thing that bringing a platform is easy, but bringing interest of developers is not. “Developers, Developers, Developers” that exactly was the words of new CEO of the company and with free signing and many welcome changes Symbian seems to be set for bringing a new world yet again.
As about features, then again many services are yet to come when Nokia E7 will be actually available or sale and some are even being targeted and design to Nokia E7. So, its better to keep mum till something really arrive.
This was the other area of concern, when Nokia went for such slimmer design language. Not only finding the perfectly slimmer battery was a thing, but so was to decide inclusion of non-self-replaceable battery.
As of now, without finally software, its useless to comment over the mention figures about battery performance, which only time will tell. Its sure that Nokia E7 not gonna be like typical E72 like battery life being a 4” multi-touch screen neither do the stats says that it might be better than Nokia N8.
We all are keeping our fingers crosses that new OS and new battery is going to perform as well as written in stats. 12 Hours talk time would really be deal breaker for anyone, if Nokia N8 gonna just do that.
As per specs and power hungry bigger screen, Nokia N8 scores point here, which seems strange due to the fact that Business devices always been on the top in this field at least. Is it gonna change?
So, these are a few things about upcoming phones and soon to be available Nokia N8. I really think that these never like before devices gonna bring some fresh breath for Nokia and Symbian. What you think?
20 thoughts on “New frontiers – Which one of Nokia N8 and E7 is yours choice?”
“But still presence of 350 MB maximum user storage and 1 GB NAND memory in both of the devices E7 and C7 indicates that Nokia seems to be setting up with something big coming for these devices in near future and the those software features will keep on revealing itself in steps over time like has been in case of Nokia N8 in last months.”
So, does this mean N8 having lesser ph memory (C:) is likely not to get the major firmware updates whereas c7 & e7 are gonna be benifited & perhaps may get symbian^4 distributed in parts as symbian^3 updates, which seems impossible for n8 with such less phone memory.
I guess I should update my post here, as my Nokia N8 showing 256 mb total space in C: drive. The above specs were taken from their official forum before my purchase. May be something was wrong then.
So as of now, its 256 or 260 Mb Vs 350 Mb that would be a fair deal to accommodate most of the updates that might be coming for Symbian^4, so should not be worried that much. Though sure lesser memory in N8 than C7 is a strange fact
surely, 260mb is really decent for phone memory
and i hope this be the case in all of our handset too.
Also can you shed some info on NAND memory
whats its role it would be helpfull.
NAND is kind of thing that is virtual memory in case of Windows PCs. Not as fast as the RAM, but not as slow as Internal Memory, in between that is used as Application memory most of the time (though as per architecture, application code cant be executed directly from NAND and has to be copied into RAM first.)
I could see that Maximum User Storage Memory is just 135 MB in Nokia N8. I don’t understand this ? What’s the consequence of having less memory here ? Could you please explain in details please.
As I replied in last comment, phone memory that is C: drive of Phone, is 260 mb around not 135 mb. That was some wrong info which I captured from their official forum. Will correct soon
I’m really confused between n8 & e7.I’m a comp student & my main priority is surfing tech stuffs,blogs etc to enrich knowledge and i also really like to capture moments.
Any suggestions plz!!
For surfing N8 still cuts better deal considering the price. E7 not gonna launch in less than 30k and thats a big reason to stay with N8, which sure boosts big over camera and prices are settling around 22k or less soon.
Software part is more or less same on both of them at least browser part and when will improve then will improve on both in same way. Though sure a bigger screen gives some advantage to E7, but considering the price and awesome camera on N8, my choice still remains Nokia N8
Thanx 4 ur input bro!
One more thing i would like to know,Is it’s onscreen keyboard good enough to type fast & accurate bcz i have lots of trouble typing fast & accurately on my friend’s x6.This is the only thing thats stopping me for n8.
Swype is your answer
I hope they release portrait keypad in new firmware soon.
Fuck nokia fuck you with this shitty fucking lame SYMBIAN
symbian lost 8% marketshare Q3 10 compared to Q4 09.
Android went from 3 to 25% the same period, wonder why….
next year symbin will be even smaller cause of samsung and sony left this peace of
If you start from 0 and then go to 10000 then does that mean you gained 100000%. Be happy.
you are real nokia-maniac! nice to know everything from you. I m waiting for a nokia phone just a laptop with long battery backup, running nokia BIOS and we can boot the phone with NOKIA BOOT CD thru usb CD ROM or thru NOKIA USB-BOOT.
You are funny man
this is my first comment on this website.
i think we should not worry about the less phone memory i.e. C:/ Memory in N8 Becoz all future firmware updates and improvement take place in ROM memory i.e. Z:/ Memory not in phone memory ,so when u get the updates from NSU(nokia software updater), or now from OVI SUITE u see that lets say 25MB updates is available for ur device its increases the size of ROM while the memory of phone memory virtually remains constant and only 1 to 2% take place in phone memory.
That is why nokia implemented bigger ROM in their s^3 phones upto 1GB in C7,E7,C6-01 and 512 MB in N8 for big firmware updates and the interesting one is massive update in the form of S^4 in the Q4 of this year.
Ya only disappointment is less ROM memory in N8 Compare to other s^3.
May be it will come with big ROM from this year.
i dont have my website so i use allaboutsymbian site from where i get all news,knowledge etc and keep regular comments.
I will stay with this website also.
Thanks for joining Himanshu.
Issues with lesser Phone Memory will be relevant even then as Ovi Maps etc still going into phone memory and so for some other major updates. But as I said 250 mb still sufficient at least till now.
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